Comments on: The stalemated school choice debate http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/ Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:17:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Club Troppo » Subsidising Private Schools http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-422 Club Troppo » Subsidising Private Schools Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:27:58 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/09/29/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/#comment-422 [...] If this process of adverse selection continues, we will end up with a distinct two-tier system. Even if the public system is well resourced and has a low student-teacher ration, it will cater largely for the socially disadvantaged. I can [...] If this process of adverse selection continues, we will end up with a distinct two-tier system. Even if the public system is well resourced and has a low student-teacher ration, it will cater largely for the socially disadvantaged. I can

]]> By: Ross Farrelly http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-421 Ross Farrelly Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:04:35 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/09/29/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/#comment-421 I agree, but trials do give objective data on some of the perceived social problem such as the myth of balkanisation which is supposed to occur under vouchers. I agree, but trials do give objective data on some of the perceived social problem such as the myth of balkanisation which is supposed to occur under vouchers.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-420 Andrew Norton Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:56:06 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/09/29/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/#comment-420 Ross - Though I am not sure that this would deal with the main objections to vouchers, which are about the perceived social problems caused by private schools. We already know that most people think private schools are educationally better and have evidence that these perceptions are, on average, correct. Ross - Though I am not sure that this would deal with the main objections to vouchers, which are about the perceived social problems caused by private schools. We already know that most people think private schools are educationally better and have evidence that these perceptions are, on average, correct.

]]> By: Ross Farrelly http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-419 Ross Farrelly Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:00:51 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/09/29/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/#comment-419 One way the stalemate might be broken is that a wealthy benefactor privately fund a trail voucher system. A fixed number of vouchers could be assigned by lottery. I believe such trials have taken place in the US. Social researchers could track any changes in educational achievement and parental satisfaction in voucher families which would provide important objective information about the efficacy or otherwise of vouchers in the Australian setting. One way the stalemate might be broken is that a wealthy benefactor privately fund a trail voucher system. A fixed number of vouchers could be assigned by lottery. I believe such trials have taken place in the US. Social researchers could track any changes in educational achievement and parental satisfaction in voucher families which would provide important objective information about the efficacy or otherwise of vouchers in the Australian setting.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-418 Andrew Norton Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:23:40 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/09/29/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/#comment-418 David - It is the logical consequence of their argument that social cohesion depends on mixing in public schools and common indoctrination, that the children of middle class parents should go to public schools to improve the educational culture rather than creating sink schools of disruptive and backward pupils, and that private schools generally foster inequality. They protest against federal funding for private schools, and only in the last twelve months or so there was talk of reviving the constitutional case against funding of religious schools. Labor has long accepted that private schools are here to stay, even if they occasionally draw up hit lists of rich schools. But I think the left more broadly is generally hostile, to their very existence, and especially to federal funding. David - It is the logical consequence of their argument that social cohesion depends on mixing in public schools and common indoctrination, that the children of middle class parents should go to public schools to improve the educational culture rather than creating sink schools of disruptive and backward pupils, and that private schools generally foster inequality. They protest against federal funding for private schools, and only in the last twelve months or so there was talk of reviving the constitutional case against funding of religious schools.

Labor has long accepted that private schools are here to stay, even if they occasionally draw up hit lists of rich schools. But I think the left more broadly is generally hostile, to their very existence, and especially to federal funding.

]]> By: David Rubie http://andrewnorton.info/2006/09/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-417 David Rubie Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:19:36 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/09/29/the-stalemated-school-choice-debate/#comment-417 Where exactly is it stated that the Left favours an entirely state-controlled schooling system? I think the entire Catholic school system suggests that your assertion is incorrect. Where exactly is it stated that the Left favours an entirely state-controlled schooling system? I think the entire Catholic school system suggests that your assertion is incorrect.

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