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	<description>Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I would guess that if we polled the US and Australian social science organisations, a majority would take the view that ethnic diversity breeds tolerance and trust."

Andrew - If so, it says more about the prevailing group ideology than it does about their judgment as social scientists. Its hard to see the mechanism by which ethnic diversity would increase trust, since trust is presumably based on expectations that people will behave in various ways not inconsisent with  one's own interests, which requires knowledge of group norms and behaviour patterns (less likely to be the case with new migrant groups) and preferably enforcement mechanisms (more likely to develop in longer-standing communities where social sanctions can be applied).

Ethnic diversity probably does often increase tolerance, but in the sense that it creates greater need for it since people are confronted with views and behaviour of which they may not approve.  But it does not necessarily create 'comfort with diversity' - the evidence on this is very mixed, as Putnam's article says.

That's the problem with his policy proposals - they assume that a little more mixing will make a big positive difference, despite the mixed evidence on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would guess that if we polled the US and Australian social science organisations, a majority would take the view that ethnic diversity breeds tolerance and trust.&#8221;</p>
<p>Andrew - If so, it says more about the prevailing group ideology than it does about their judgment as social scientists. Its hard to see the mechanism by which ethnic diversity would increase trust, since trust is presumably based on expectations that people will behave in various ways not inconsisent with  one&#8217;s own interests, which requires knowledge of group norms and behaviour patterns (less likely to be the case with new migrant groups) and preferably enforcement mechanisms (more likely to develop in longer-standing communities where social sanctions can be applied).</p>
<p>Ethnic diversity probably does often increase tolerance, but in the sense that it creates greater need for it since people are confronted with views and behaviour of which they may not approve.  But it does not necessarily create &#8216;comfort with diversity&#8217; - the evidence on this is very mixed, as Putnam&#8217;s article says.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem with his policy proposals - they assume that a little more mixing will make a big positive difference, despite the mixed evidence on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Leigh</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your lack of surprise may reflect your priors. I would guess that if we polled the US and Australian social science organisations, a majority would take the view that ethnic diversity breeds tolerance and trust.

And isn't it the very nature of policy proposals that they're not grounded in evidence, since it's harder to evaluate things we haven't yet done than things we've already done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your lack of surprise may reflect your priors. I would guess that if we polled the US and Australian social science organisations, a majority would take the view that ethnic diversity breeds tolerance and trust.</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t it the very nature of policy proposals that they&#8217;re not grounded in evidence, since it&#8217;s harder to evaluate things we haven&#8217;t yet done than things we&#8217;ve already done?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew - It's a good piece of analysis, though only the finding that trust of one's own group is negatively associated with diversity is surprising. However when he told the FT that:

"he had delayed publishing his research until he could develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity, saying it would have been irresponsible to publish without that"

he need not have bothered with delay, because his ideas in this regard are just a few dot points with none of the evidence he supplies for the initial analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew - It&#8217;s a good piece of analysis, though only the finding that trust of one&#8217;s own group is negatively associated with diversity is surprising. However when he told the FT that:</p>
<p>&#8220;he had delayed publishing his research until he could develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity, saying it would have been irresponsible to publish without that&#8221;</p>
<p>he need not have bothered with delay, because his ideas in this regard are just a few dot points with none of the evidence he supplies for the initial analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Leigh</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent - I look forward to reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent - I look forward to reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew - I have printed out the article (having seen the link on your blog) but reading it will have to wait until tonight. A verdict will follow....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew - I have printed out the article (having seen the link on your blog) but reading it will have to wait until tonight. A verdict will follow&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Leigh</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putnam has now published his findings for the first time (my take &lt;a href="http://andrewleigh.com/?p=1505" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

On the charge of "intellectual concealment and spinning", I'm curious to know whether you'd now acquit him, or convict him of a second offence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putnam has now published his findings for the first time (my take <a href="http://andrewleigh.com/?p=1505" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
<p>On the charge of &#8220;intellectual concealment and spinning&#8221;, I&#8217;m curious to know whether you&#8217;d now acquit him, or convict him of a second offence?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, perhaps. However, I'd still suggest that if I had research findings of this kind and I presented them on their without any proposed policy remedies, people (journalists) would assume that my proposed solution was to simply stop migration -- that it was a straight critique of immigration and multiculturalism, rather than something more nuanced. Confronted with that probable outcome when contacted by a journalist, I'd try to come up with something on the hop (which is possibly what he did in saying we should "construct a new us"). Unsatisfactory.

Also, we are assuming that he went to the media with his research. That's quite likely; but it's also possible that he's been quietly discussing it in academic circles, as he develops the ideas and their consequences (and is there anything wrong with that? I would want to workshop my ideas before making them broadly public), and a journalist got wind of it and knew he/she could beat a story out of it. And Putnam made the decision, for whatever reason (naivete, politeness, opportunism), to talk to the journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, perhaps. However, I&#8217;d still suggest that if I had research findings of this kind and I presented them on their without any proposed policy remedies, people (journalists) would assume that my proposed solution was to simply stop migration &#8212; that it was a straight critique of immigration and multiculturalism, rather than something more nuanced. Confronted with that probable outcome when contacted by a journalist, I&#8217;d try to come up with something on the hop (which is possibly what he did in saying we should &#8220;construct a new us&#8221;). Unsatisfactory.</p>
<p>Also, we are assuming that he went to the media with his research. That&#8217;s quite likely; but it&#8217;s also possible that he&#8217;s been quietly discussing it in academic circles, as he develops the ideas and their consequences (and is there anything wrong with that? I would want to workshop my ideas before making them broadly public), and a journalist got wind of it and knew he/she could beat a story out of it. And Putnam made the decision, for whatever reason (naivete, politeness, opportunism), to talk to the journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans - Though as Ron Brunton points out, Putnam has now done the opposite - released enough for us to think that there is a problem, but not enough information to know whether it is a small or large problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans - Though as Ron Brunton points out, Putnam has now done the opposite - released enough for us to think that there is a problem, but not enough information to know whether it is a small or large problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a journalist... if I were an academic, my first worry in publishing potentially controversial research is that I would be misrepresented by a media eager to concoct scandal and controversy... and that any labels thus placed on me during the ensuing three-day flurry of heat and light would last a lot longer than those three days!

So I can see why Putnam might want to ensure that he has a balanced view to present before going public with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a journalist&#8230; if I were an academic, my first worry in publishing potentially controversial research is that I would be misrepresented by a media eager to concoct scandal and controversy&#8230; and that any labels thus placed on me during the ensuing three-day flurry of heat and light would last a lot longer than those three days!</p>
<p>So I can see why Putnam might want to ensure that he has a balanced view to present before going public with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wickstein</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/10/academic-spin/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wickstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't trust academics that think they know better advocating restrictions on freedom too.

So be specific, Eva.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t trust academics that think they know better advocating restrictions on freedom too.</p>
<p>So be specific, Eva.</p>
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