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	<title>Comments on: Why are men more likely to be sacked than women?</title>
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	<description>Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal</description>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then it has changed quite a bit.

Perhaps the fact males are more likely to be f/t and females p/t so employers who sack males gain more flexibility within their labour force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then it has changed quite a bit.</p>
<p>Perhaps the fact males are more likely to be f/t and females p/t so employers who sack males gain more flexibility within their labour force.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer - The median age of male workers is only one year older than females now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer - The median age of male workers is only one year older than females now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't looked at the figures in recent times but males used to be much older on average.

Given Employer's irrational belief that older workers are harder to train, have lower productivity etc and the nil value they put on corporate knowledge and history I am not surprised by this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at the figures in recent times but males used to be much older on average.</p>
<p>Given Employer&#8217;s irrational belief that older workers are harder to train, have lower productivity etc and the nil value they put on corporate knowledge and history I am not surprised by this.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - Voluntary job departure rates were 12% for men and 14.3% for women, consistent with your suggestion.

Don - Thanks for the tip, I will check it out.

Russell - I don't think the ABS surveys people in jails, so they won't be caught (so to speak) in this data, but 'attitude' more generally could I think have something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike - Voluntary job departure rates were 12% for men and 14.3% for women, consistent with your suggestion.</p>
<p>Don - Thanks for the tip, I will check it out.</p>
<p>Russell - I don&#8217;t think the ABS surveys people in jails, so they won&#8217;t be caught (so to speak) in this data, but &#8216;attitude&#8217; more generally could I think have something to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are just my own observances from Office dynamics, not a scientific analysis:

1. Females have a standing excuse that can explain away any absence (female reproductive health problems). No manager, male or female, is going to want to see proof of it.

2. As Russell said, males are more likely to turn up late after partying etc.

3. Males are more likely to tell the boss to fuck off when they get angry, whereas a female response would be to cry. Bosses don't tend to sack people who burst into tears, but they do sack people who challenge their authority.

4. Males have different work ethics than females. If you give a male and a female a day to complete the same task that would take 6 hours on average, the male is more likely to complete the task as quickly as possible, and spend the remaining 4 hours of the day bludging. The female is more likely to stretch the task out into the 8 hours alloted.

However from the Boss' point of view, if he comes after lunch to see the male playing Solitaire and the female still busily working, this makes the male look bad even though he has completed the same task in less time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are just my own observances from Office dynamics, not a scientific analysis:</p>
<p>1. Females have a standing excuse that can explain away any absence (female reproductive health problems). No manager, male or female, is going to want to see proof of it.</p>
<p>2. As Russell said, males are more likely to turn up late after partying etc.</p>
<p>3. Males are more likely to tell the boss to fuck off when they get angry, whereas a female response would be to cry. Bosses don&#8217;t tend to sack people who burst into tears, but they do sack people who challenge their authority.</p>
<p>4. Males have different work ethics than females. If you give a male and a female a day to complete the same task that would take 6 hours on average, the male is more likely to complete the task as quickly as possible, and spend the remaining 4 hours of the day bludging. The female is more likely to stretch the task out into the 8 hours alloted.</p>
<p>However from the Boss&#8217; point of view, if he comes after lunch to see the male playing Solitaire and the female still busily working, this makes the male look bad even though he has completed the same task in less time.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it have to do with crime, loss of employability due to drug abuse etc - I'm guessing that more males go to gaol, and lose their jobs, than females. The lifestyles of young males might be more less endearing to employers - my car mechanic has ceased to employ young blokes because they just don't reliably turn up on Mondays - too much partying on the weekends.
Male pride? in that men perhaps feel more confident in asserting themselves, and feel more confident in being able to find another job - - making less of an effort to "fit in" ?
Are men in the kind of work where accidents are more common and employers find ways of sacking the ones on compo ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it have to do with crime, loss of employability due to drug abuse etc - I&#8217;m guessing that more males go to gaol, and lose their jobs, than females. The lifestyles of young males might be more less endearing to employers - my car mechanic has ceased to employ young blokes because they just don&#8217;t reliably turn up on Mondays - too much partying on the weekends.<br />
Male pride? in that men perhaps feel more confident in asserting themselves, and feel more confident in being able to find another job - - making less of an effort to &#8220;fit in&#8221; ?<br />
Are men in the kind of work where accidents are more common and employers find ways of sacking the ones on compo ?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Arthur</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew - There's some support for the second hypothesis in the US literature.

Sandra McKay and Uday Tate looked at how students believed a salesperson's gender affected evaluations of their performance. They found that "students strongly believe that supervisors would be more willing to fire males than females for low performance."

But there's a flipside : "students thought that supervisors would more readily promote males over feales with identical performances."

The paper has citations to some related research.

'Student attitudes regarding gender bias in performance evaluations of salespeople' Journal of Business and Psychology, Vol 16, No 2 Winter 2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew - There&#8217;s some support for the second hypothesis in the US literature.</p>
<p>Sandra McKay and Uday Tate looked at how students believed a salesperson&#8217;s gender affected evaluations of their performance. They found that &#8220;students strongly believe that supervisors would be more willing to fire males than females for low performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a flipside : &#8220;students thought that supervisors would more readily promote males over feales with identical performances.&#8221;</p>
<p>The paper has citations to some related research.</p>
<p>&#8216;Student attitudes regarding gender bias in performance evaluations of salespeople&#8217; Journal of Business and Psychology, Vol 16, No 2 Winter 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - The HILDA study controlled for industry, but natural attrition could be part of it. I will check to see if there are differences in voluntary turnover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike - The HILDA study controlled for industry, but natural attrition could be part of it. I will check to see if there are differences in voluntary turnover.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possibility is that, due to family commitments there is a higher natural turnover of women employees so downsizing and the like can be more easily accommodated through natural attrition than is the case with men.

Another possibility is that the phenomenon primarily reflects sacking rate differences by industry. Suppose that an industry such as vehicle component manufacture primarily employed men, and an industry such as primary school teaching primarily employed women. If the sacking rate in the former is higher than in the latter, it would be reflected in gender statistics but would not be primarily due to gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possibility is that, due to family commitments there is a higher natural turnover of women employees so downsizing and the like can be more easily accommodated through natural attrition than is the case with men.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that the phenomenon primarily reflects sacking rate differences by industry. Suppose that an industry such as vehicle component manufacture primarily employed men, and an industry such as primary school teaching primarily employed women. If the sacking rate in the former is higher than in the latter, it would be reflected in gender statistics but would not be primarily due to gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/why-are-men-more-likely-to-be-sacked-than-women/comment-page-1/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, sorry have only browsed so I apologise if I missed this but have they looked at ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, sorry have only browsed so I apologise if I missed this but have they looked at ages.</p>
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