Comments on: The citizenship test for Hyperbolia http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/ Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:23:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Andrew Norton » Blog Archive » My trip to Planet Irf http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-18105 Andrew Norton » Blog Archive » My trip to Planet Irf Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:50:50 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-18105 [...] seems fairly simple to me: the Howard government and the Australian people are accused of White Australia style racism. But support for an immigration policy that includes record numbers of people with dark skins and [...] [...] seems fairly simple to me: the Howard government and the Australian people are accused of White Australia style racism. But support for an immigration policy that includes record numbers of people with dark skins and [...]

]]> By: Matthew http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3012 Matthew Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:33:23 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3012 Raha A) You cannot become a citizen as a new arrival. you have to have lived in Australia for a couple of years to be eligible to apply. B) It does not decide who is worthy to live in Australia, merely who is granted citizenship (a priviledge). It does surprise me that this seems to have caused such a stir in Australia. In the UK a similar test was introduced by a Labour government with barely a murmer of dissent. Raha

A) You cannot become a citizen as a new arrival. you have to have lived in Australia for a couple of years to be eligible to apply.

B) It does not decide who is worthy to live in Australia, merely who is granted citizenship (a priviledge).

It does surprise me that this seems to have caused such a stir in Australia. In the UK a similar test was introduced by a Labour government with barely a murmer of dissent.

]]> By: raha http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3013 raha Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:03:28 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3013 hi i am not so keen of citizenship test.while it can be easy and reasonable for people who have been here for a while or have been studing here but it is not fair for others who are new arrival , too old to learn somthing. totally it can not be acceptable option to decide about who is more whorthy to live in australia hi i am not so keen of citizenship test.while it can be easy and reasonable for people who have been here for a while or have been studing here but it is not fair for others who are new arrival , too old to learn somthing.
totally it can not be acceptable option to decide about who is more whorthy to live in australia

]]> By: Rajat Sood http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3011 Rajat Sood Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:19:28 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3011 Having seen a sample of questions for the test on The Age website, it seems to be less about values and more about basic facts. It's true many locals would struggle to pass, but arguably, many long-time car drivers would struggle to pass the written component of a driver's licence test - that doesn't mean it's pointless. I don't think it's altogether a bad thing if intending migrants have to spend a few hours swotting up on Australiana. Whether the citizenship test is an efficient way of promoting Australian values or securing high quality migrants is a separate question. Having seen a sample of questions for the test on The Age website, it seems to be less about values and more about basic facts. It’s true many locals would struggle to pass, but arguably, many long-time car drivers would struggle to pass the written component of a driver’s licence test - that doesn’t mean it’s pointless. I don’t think it’s altogether a bad thing if intending migrants have to spend a few hours swotting up on Australiana. Whether the citizenship test is an efficient way of promoting Australian values or securing high quality migrants is a separate question.

]]> By: Andrew Leigh http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3010 Andrew Leigh Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:03:53 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3010 On a tangential note, someone who works in another country's immigration department told me the other day that it's easy for the Australian government to get more UK migrants - they just increase the weight that our points system allocates to english proficiency. S/he told me that this has in fact occurred in Australia over recent years, though I can't seem to locate the relevant evidence on immi.gov.au. On a tangential note, someone who works in another country’s immigration department told me the other day that it’s easy for the Australian government to get more UK migrants - they just increase the weight that our points system allocates to english proficiency. S/he told me that this has in fact occurred in Australia over recent years, though I can’t seem to locate the relevant evidence on immi.gov.au.

]]> By: Rajat Sood http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3009 Rajat Sood Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:33:28 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3009 Andrew E, I should have been more explicit. What I meant was that there are fewer jobs around that someone can walk into and not have to communicate with the general public (in English). Andrew E, I should have been more explicit. What I meant was that there are fewer jobs around that someone can walk into and not have to communicate with the general public (in English).

]]> By: Andrew Elder http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3008 Andrew Elder Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:20:40 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3008 <blockquote>there simply aren

there simply aren

]]> By: Amir http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3007 Amir Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:48:41 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3007 I'm a Muslim and I don't quite understand why this is seen, by some, as something that will discriminate against Muslims. In order for a test to be discriminatory against Muslims there would need to be questions that a Muslim would find impossible or very difficult to answer but a non-Muslim would find easy. I don't see how this is possible. I’m a Muslim and I don’t quite understand why this is seen, by some, as something that will discriminate against Muslims. In order for a test to be discriminatory against Muslims there would need to be questions that a Muslim would find impossible or very difficult to answer but a non-Muslim would find easy. I don’t see how this is possible.

]]> By: Parkos http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3006 Parkos Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:14:36 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3006 "Has anyone seen the syllabus and the references to reconciliation, multiculturalism, etc? Why is Howard so fond of setting up these future gifts for the Left of politics?" For your benefit Soon. “Has anyone seen the syllabus and the references to reconciliation, multiculturalism, etc? Why is Howard so fond of setting up these future gifts for the Left of politics?”

For your benefit Soon.

]]> By: derrida derider http://andrewnorton.info/2006/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/comment-page-1/#comment-3005 derrida derider Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:08:26 +0000 http://andrewnorton.info/blog/2006/12/12/the-citizenship-test-for-hyperbolia/#comment-3005 The irony, Jason, is that I think you're right that it's a skirmish in the <i>kulturkampf</i> rather than anything practical. But given its provenance it's more likely to be tilted towards the right than the left. And it will be barrier to some would-be citizens - though not the Muslim fundies for the reason you point out. I have an Irish born relative by marriage who lived in Oz for 30 years but would not become a citizen until the oath of allegiance to the British queen was removed from the ceremony by the Hawke government. The irony, Jason, is that I think you’re right that it’s a skirmish in the kulturkampf rather than anything practical. But given its provenance it’s more likely to be tilted towards the right than the left.

And it will be barrier to some would-be citizens - though not the Muslim fundies for the reason you point out. I have an Irish born relative by marriage who lived in Oz for 30 years but would not become a citizen until the oath of allegiance to the British queen was removed from the ceremony by the Hawke government.

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