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	<description>Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6784</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Homer: you make a statement, I ask you to flesh it out, but rather than oblige me you tell me to myself go and find support for your argument?

You've got to be kidding.

I've read the RBA statements, and more than once. I know what they say.

I'm asking you these questions because I want to know if you know what you're talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Homer: you make a statement, I ask you to flesh it out, but rather than oblige me you tell me to myself go and find support for your argument?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to be kidding.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the RBA statements, and more than once. I know what they say.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking you these questions because I want to know if you know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6783</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, take a look at some RBA statements.
It could prove illuminating</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, take a look at some RBA statements.<br />
It could prove illuminating</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6769</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'now that is very neo-classical. Conversion of financial capital to physical capital in no time at all. your supply constraints are met and hey presto give them all the tax cuts you want without ever having to cut spending.'

I never said 'no time at all'. I asked you what timeframe you are talking about. Nevertheless, we are talking about production increases at the margin - no need to rebuild the nation's industrial plant, infrastructure and commercial buildings.

Say it took around one year for tax cuts to be fully spent by households - would that be enough time for businesses to adjust to the (marginally) higher demand?

'As I said Jeremy most business surveys appear to be saying there are constraints around.'

Yes but wheeeeeeeere??????? There are always constraints around - that's a sign that the economy is being well managed. The question is, where are the most significant ones - the ones with consequences for the general price level?

'My guess is the new IR laws have allowed wages to rise less than may have happened previously but even so wage pressures are out there also IF you believe the same surveys'

Yes again, but wheeeeeere??? There's lots of scary things 'out there'. We need to know if the threats are significant, and if so can they be managed.

You sound as if you've been spooked by the 'big picture' commentators. But where exactly is the threat coming from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;now that is very neo-classical. Conversion of financial capital to physical capital in no time at all. your supply constraints are met and hey presto give them all the tax cuts you want without ever having to cut spending.&#8217;</p>
<p>I never said &#8216;no time at all&#8217;. I asked you what timeframe you are talking about. Nevertheless, we are talking about production increases at the margin - no need to rebuild the nation&#8217;s industrial plant, infrastructure and commercial buildings.</p>
<p>Say it took around one year for tax cuts to be fully spent by households - would that be enough time for businesses to adjust to the (marginally) higher demand?</p>
<p>&#8216;As I said Jeremy most business surveys appear to be saying there are constraints around.&#8217;</p>
<p>Yes but wheeeeeeeere??????? There are always constraints around - that&#8217;s a sign that the economy is being well managed. The question is, where are the most significant ones - the ones with consequences for the general price level?</p>
<p>&#8216;My guess is the new IR laws have allowed wages to rise less than may have happened previously but even so wage pressures are out there also IF you believe the same surveys&#8217;</p>
<p>Yes again, but wheeeeeere??? There&#8217;s lots of scary things &#8216;out there&#8217;. We need to know if the threats are significant, and if so can they be managed.</p>
<p>You sound as if you&#8217;ve been spooked by the &#8216;big picture&#8217; commentators. But where exactly is the threat coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6768</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now that is very neo-classical. Conversion of financial capital to physical capital in no time at all. your supply constraints are met and hey presto give them all the tax cuts you want without ever having to cut spending.
As I said Jeremy most business surveys appear to be saying there are constraints around.
My guess is the new IR laws have allowed wages to rise less than may have happened previously but even so wage pressures are out there also IF you believe the same surveys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now that is very neo-classical. Conversion of financial capital to physical capital in no time at all. your supply constraints are met and hey presto give them all the tax cuts you want without ever having to cut spending.<br />
As I said Jeremy most business surveys appear to be saying there are constraints around.<br />
My guess is the new IR laws have allowed wages to rise less than may have happened previously but even so wage pressures are out there also IF you believe the same surveys</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6782</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer, where are the supply constraints, exactly?

What time period are you talking about? How quickly will people spend their money? Will it be sufficiently gradual to allow businesses to expand capacity (using the ocean of capital currently sloshing around world financial markets), so as to take advantage of the profitable opportunities that will open up following a tax cut?

If so, then tax cuts sound like a great recipe for non-inflationary growth. Closest thing we'll ever get to an economic 'free lunch'.

In a financial environment where most people can borrow as much money as they like, when they like, for whatever purpose - and are actually doing so - it seems bizarre to want to stop them from spending their own earned income.

Keynes was an odd economist, and got many things wrong. But his saving grace was that he was 'cheerful': he was always talking about the 'upside', and about opportunities latent in the economy.

Try being a bit 'cheery'. Australia's half a million unemployed will thank you for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer, where are the supply constraints, exactly?</p>
<p>What time period are you talking about? How quickly will people spend their money? Will it be sufficiently gradual to allow businesses to expand capacity (using the ocean of capital currently sloshing around world financial markets), so as to take advantage of the profitable opportunities that will open up following a tax cut?</p>
<p>If so, then tax cuts sound like a great recipe for non-inflationary growth. Closest thing we&#8217;ll ever get to an economic &#8216;free lunch&#8217;.</p>
<p>In a financial environment where most people can borrow as much money as they like, when they like, for whatever purpose - and are actually doing so - it seems bizarre to want to stop them from spending their own earned income.</p>
<p>Keynes was an odd economist, and got many things wrong. But his saving grace was that he was &#8216;cheerful&#8217;: he was always talking about the &#8216;upside&#8217;, and about opportunities latent in the economy.</p>
<p>Try being a bit &#8216;cheery&#8217;. Australia&#8217;s half a million unemployed will thank you for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if there are supply constraints I would have thought that it follows that too much money is chasing too few goods.

I do believe Keynes also talked about this precise thing.Neo-classical synthesis indeed.

Jeremy it comes up in most surveys of business. The RBA certainly highlights this and it appears to support their anecdotal evidence as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if there are supply constraints I would have thought that it follows that too much money is chasing too few goods.</p>
<p>I do believe Keynes also talked about this precise thing.Neo-classical synthesis indeed.</p>
<p>Jeremy it comes up in most surveys of business. The RBA certainly highlights this and it appears to support their anecdotal evidence as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Anzac Day Special Edition</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6753</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Anzac Day Special Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on a huge election war chest, one he has chosen not to distribute in the form of tax cuts. Andrew also points out that recent polls indicate taxpayers are focussing on tax cuts, rather than services, and that Howard&#8217;s hoarding is starting to piss them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on a huge election war chest, one he has chosen not to distribute in the form of tax cuts. Andrew also points out that recent polls indicate taxpayers are focussing on tax cuts, rather than services, and that Howard&#8217;s hoarding is starting to piss them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Eldridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Eldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, were you referring to BBCLB's comment at number25 on this thread? That seems to be more at the neoclassical end of the Keynesian-Neoclassical synthesis model of the macroeconomy. He refers to demand expansion resulting in inflation when supply constraints bind. The Keynesian part of the model relates to the case where there is a substantial amount of unemployment, so that there is excess capacity in the economy. In that case, demand expansion reduces unemployment rather than increasing inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, were you referring to BBCLB&#8217;s comment at number25 on this thread? That seems to be more at the neoclassical end of the Keynesian-Neoclassical synthesis model of the macroeconomy. He refers to demand expansion resulting in inflation when supply constraints bind. The Keynesian part of the model relates to the case where there is a substantial amount of unemployment, so that there is excess capacity in the economy. In that case, demand expansion reduces unemployment rather than increasing inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Soon</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6766</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Soon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is typical Keynesian nonsense from Homer that only a specialist macroeconomist can swallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is typical Keynesian nonsense from Homer that only a specialist macroeconomist can swallow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/04/taxpayers-want-their-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-6747</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer, maybe you'd like to highlight in which sectors the price pressures would arise?

I thought inflation was a consequence of too much money chasing too few goods. Given that tax revenue is collected after the goods and services have actually produced - as Sinclair has already noted above in comment 17 - then giving wealth back to the people who created it shouldn't produce inflationary pressures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer, maybe you&#8217;d like to highlight in which sectors the price pressures would arise?</p>
<p>I thought inflation was a consequence of too much money chasing too few goods. Given that tax revenue is collected after the goods and services have actually produced - as Sinclair has already noted above in comment 17 - then giving wealth back to the people who created it shouldn&#8217;t produce inflationary pressures.</p>
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