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	<title>Comments on: How &#8217;stressed&#8217; are households with mortgages?</title>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/07/12/how-stressed-are-households-with-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-8341</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just for the interested.
Most people who borrow for investment loans go the interest only route with the aim of selling in the near future ie they are there for the capital value not the income. This is verified by the fact the yield on investment in housing is very low.

People who bought at the height of the boom are simply running up and down on the spot paying off interest in the hope the price of their dwelling will rise and they can sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just for the interested.<br />
Most people who borrow for investment loans go the interest only route with the aim of selling in the near future ie they are there for the capital value not the income. This is verified by the fact the yield on investment in housing is very low.</p>
<p>People who bought at the height of the boom are simply running up and down on the spot paying off interest in the hope the price of their dwelling will rise and they can sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/07/12/how-stressed-are-households-with-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-8353</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have blogged extensively on WorkChoices polling (too many to link to here and at Catallaxy, put &#039;WorkChoices&#039; in search) and at least since November 2005 &lt;a href=&quot;http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=1342&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I have thought&lt;/a&gt; it contains electoral risks for the Coalition.

The difficulty in isolating any effect is that, as I have argued in several recent posts, direct questions about how issues affecting voting are so contaminated with answers from already partisan respondents as to be of little value, and that before December 2006 the polls were moving about in the &#039;normal&#039; range (including &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/2007/06/17/acnielsen-57-to-43-in-labors-favour/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the ACNielsen&lt;/a&gt;), despite the massive campaign against WorkChoices - probably the most expensive issue campaign in Australian history.

It&#039;s probably one of the underlying factors as to why some previous Coalition voters now say they will vote Labor. There are several such possible reasons. But what is interesting me here, as a student of polling, is that elections force people to bundle a whole range of pluses and minuses with the two major parties, and something important has changed in their final calculation over the last 7 months.

The most obvious explanation is that though Rudd isn&#039;t far ahead of Howard as preferred PM, leadership was a significant negative for the ALP, and take that out of the equation and their issue strength puts them ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have blogged extensively on WorkChoices polling (too many to link to here and at Catallaxy, put &#8216;WorkChoices&#8217; in search) and at least since November 2005 <a href="http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=1342" rel="nofollow">I have thought</a> it contains electoral risks for the Coalition.</p>
<p>The difficulty in isolating any effect is that, as I have argued in several recent posts, direct questions about how issues affecting voting are so contaminated with answers from already partisan respondents as to be of little value, and that before December 2006 the polls were moving about in the &#8216;normal&#8217; range (including <a href="http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/2007/06/17/acnielsen-57-to-43-in-labors-favour/" rel="nofollow">the ACNielsen</a>), despite the massive campaign against WorkChoices &#8211; probably the most expensive issue campaign in Australian history.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably one of the underlying factors as to why some previous Coalition voters now say they will vote Labor. There are several such possible reasons. But what is interesting me here, as a student of polling, is that elections force people to bundle a whole range of pluses and minuses with the two major parties, and something important has changed in their final calculation over the last 7 months.</p>
<p>The most obvious explanation is that though Rudd isn&#8217;t far ahead of Howard as preferred PM, leadership was a significant negative for the ALP, and take that out of the equation and their issue strength puts them ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/07/12/how-stressed-are-households-with-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-8350</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bugger me Leopold is right. My memory is howardsque.

By the way Andrew why haven&#039;t you looked and the link of Workchoices legislation and voting intentions..

JC work how many people can average 75K to service a ,loan for an AVERAGE home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bugger me Leopold is right. My memory is howardsque.</p>
<p>By the way Andrew why haven&#8217;t you looked and the link of Workchoices legislation and voting intentions..</p>
<p>JC work how many people can average 75K to service a ,loan for an AVERAGE home?</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was told that one needs a combined income of 150K to buy the average home in Sydney now.
Cripes&quot;

Assuming the cost of money 7% that $150,000 20 years ago was around $39,000 on present value estimate.

In that context $150,000 doesn&#039;t seem that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was told that one needs a combined income of 150K to buy the average home in Sydney now.<br />
Cripes&#8221;</p>
<p>Assuming the cost of money 7% that $150,000 20 years ago was around $39,000 on present value estimate.</p>
<p>In that context $150,000 doesn&#8217;t seem that much.</p>
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		<title>By: Leopold</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/07/12/how-stressed-are-households-with-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-8351</link>
		<dc:creator>Leopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Homer is actually referring to the AC Nielsen poll which showed 56-44 on the weekend before Rudd became leader.

Nielsen&#039;s headline figure is difficult to credit from primaries of 41-39 though. 53-54% would be more plausible.

Newspoll and ACN were a bit inconsistent during October and November 2006. ACN averaged 41-39 to Labor, News the reverse... if Newspoll had shown ACN&#039;s numbers Bomber might have survived. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Homer is actually referring to the AC Nielsen poll which showed 56-44 on the weekend before Rudd became leader.</p>
<p>Nielsen&#8217;s headline figure is difficult to credit from primaries of 41-39 though. 53-54% would be more plausible.</p>
<p>Newspoll and ACN were a bit inconsistent during October and November 2006. ACN averaged 41-39 to Labor, News the reverse&#8230; if Newspoll had shown ACN&#8217;s numbers Bomber might have survived. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/07/12/how-stressed-are-households-with-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-8356</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer - There was no Newspoll on the day of the leadership challenge. Rudd became leader on 4 December, with the next Newspoll 8-10 December, which had the 55-45 result you mention.

Which people doing the econometrics are you talking about? Andrew Leigh and Justin Wolfers wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/austpolitics.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a paper&lt;/a&gt; in 2005 which updated the only recent academic study of this that I know, which found that low unemployment and inflation favoured incumbents. I don&#039;t recall seeing any research on the interest rate question over time, though a least a couple of papers looked at it for 2004 in terms of seats which had lots of people with mortgages and surveys in which people were asked important interest rates were. They did not come up with your conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer &#8211; There was no Newspoll on the day of the leadership challenge. Rudd became leader on 4 December, with the next Newspoll 8-10 December, which had the 55-45 result you mention.</p>
<p>Which people doing the econometrics are you talking about? Andrew Leigh and Justin Wolfers wrote <a href="http://econrsss.anu.edu.au/~aleigh/austpolitics.htm" rel="nofollow">a paper</a> in 2005 which updated the only recent academic study of this that I know, which found that low unemployment and inflation favoured incumbents. I don&#8217;t recall seeing any research on the interest rate question over time, though a least a couple of papers looked at it for 2004 in terms of seats which had lots of people with mortgages and surveys in which people were asked important interest rates were. They did not come up with your conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually the newspoll on the day of the leadership election was 55-45. The ALP were constantly leading in the polls now they are leading very comfortably. People perceive the ALP is better electable material now simialr to 1995. There is a definite time for a change mood which is now being met.

most people who do the econometrics find that good economic figures are good news for oppositions whilst rising interest rates are good for Governments. It is fascinating how the figures contradict what people think is the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually the newspoll on the day of the leadership election was 55-45. The ALP were constantly leading in the polls now they are leading very comfortably. People perceive the ALP is better electable material now simialr to 1995. There is a definite time for a change mood which is now being met.</p>
<p>most people who do the econometrics find that good economic figures are good news for oppositions whilst rising interest rates are good for Governments. It is fascinating how the figures contradict what people think is the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/07/12/how-stressed-are-households-with-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-8349</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer - It is true that despite Beazley&#039;s poor personal ratings Labor&#039;s 2PP were in the competitive range, eg they were 51-49 ahead in the final Newspoll of Beazley&#039;s leadership. But there has been a dramatic change since, as shown in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/2007/04/01/aggregated-polling-the-rise-and-rise-of-kevin-rudd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bryan Palmer&#039;s aggregation of the polls&lt;/a&gt;. Not only is the scale unusual (1975 and 1966 are the only real parallels I can see) but the persistence of such a large lead for 7 months is unprecedented. That this is against a government that, on the conventional indicators, has the best set of economic numbers since the early 1970s, and with an Opposition leader who appears competent but uncharismatic and is not offering a substantially different set of policies, makes it all the more intriguing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer &#8211; It is true that despite Beazley&#8217;s poor personal ratings Labor&#8217;s 2PP were in the competitive range, eg they were 51-49 ahead in the final Newspoll of Beazley&#8217;s leadership. But there has been a dramatic change since, as shown in <a href="http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/2007/04/01/aggregated-polling-the-rise-and-rise-of-kevin-rudd/" rel="nofollow">Bryan Palmer&#8217;s aggregation of the polls</a>. Not only is the scale unusual (1975 and 1966 are the only real parallels I can see) but the persistence of such a large lead for 7 months is unprecedented. That this is against a government that, on the conventional indicators, has the best set of economic numbers since the early 1970s, and with an Opposition leader who appears competent but uncharismatic and is not offering a substantially different set of policies, makes it all the more intriguing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew, as possum has shown the polls haven&#039;t changed dramtatically at all, they were well in front with the Bomber then they are further in front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew, as possum has shown the polls haven&#8217;t changed dramtatically at all, they were well in front with the Bomber then they are further in front.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;nothing new has happened since last December&quot; ... maybe only in WA but that&#039;s about when house price hysteria hit the headlines. (Seemed a matter of heady pride that house prices here were about to eclipse Sydney&#039;s). The fact that prices zoomed up so far and so rapidly in WA might be contributing to the feeling of mortgage stress here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nothing new has happened since last December&#8221; &#8230; maybe only in WA but that&#8217;s about when house price hysteria hit the headlines. (Seemed a matter of heady pride that house prices here were about to eclipse Sydney&#8217;s). The fact that prices zoomed up so far and so rapidly in WA might be contributing to the feeling of mortgage stress here.</p>
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