Very bad social policy. good idea, very bad implementation particularly the $600 a kiddie so people rarely have to pay the money back.

Family tax benefit is payed to an awful lot of people who don’t need it (the income thresholds start near $100,000). It’s very easy to qualify if your wife is home with the kiddies.

It’s not really like there is any choise about whether you get it or not. If you qualify and you fill in a tax return then you get it. I willingly spend the refund but it is a horrid system filled with perverse incentives.

Me grumpy? No bloody way! Lol.

Thanks for the advice, but I’m too old to qualify and roundly advise people not to have any becasue by their teenage years you began to see the error of your ways.

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WorkChoices did remove the right to bargain collectively under some circumstances, go check it, don’t believe what the BCA tell you.

Thanks for the qualification there, David. I think it was ( the qualification) necessary too.

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The aboriginal intervention is a perfect example of authoritarianism, along with other bits and pieces like the terror legislation.

Whatever. I just found it homorous how you put workchoices together with the Aboriginal actions.
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Is less freedom something libertarians are only concerned about when the left are in power?

Damn straight. The left are always talking about freedoms ….only their kind. They make a mockery of most freedoms. See the Victorian socislists attempt to stifle free speech with the way they went after the two Christian pastors. See how the Vic Supreme court threw the accusations and Bracks Blasphemy laws out the window.

Not , true. Workchoices never removed that right. That’s just you believing any union propaganda they dish out.

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Five hundred pages of legiislation about Aboriginals including compulsory land acquisition and no debate time isn’t authoritarian?

Is that contained in workchoices? You believe anything they tell you, don’t you?

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I have no idea why the right is so blind about JWH - his words never match his actions and he’s been fooling you all for the best part of eleven years.

Yep. We need the left to set us straight about Howard.

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It’s hard to know who to be more disgusted about, Liberal desperation in the face of a monumental defeat, or the cynical hand-sitting that Labor is doing hoping they don’t screw it up.

I think its labor telling everyone they agree with Howard. It’s pretty sickening when you think bout it.
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On a more personal note, I know JWH might not see himself as a socialist, but he sends me your tax money every fortnight just for breeding! It’s unprecedented in our history, just because he uses the tax system to do it doesn’t mean it isn’t welfare.

That his weak side, I know. He shouldn’t be sending people like you any money as you obviously seem to be able to afford having kids.

a no nothing authoritarian dope.

So removing the right to bargain collectively isn’t authoritarian? Five hundred pages of legiislation about Aboriginals including compulsory land acquisition and no debate time isn’t authoritarian? I have no idea why the right is so blind about JWH - his words never match his actions and he’s been fooling you all for the best part of eleven years. It’s hard to know who to be more disgusted about, Liberal desperation in the face of a monumental defeat, or the cynical hand-sitting that Labor is doing hoping they don’t screw it up. On a more personal note, I know JWH might not see himself as a socialist, but he sends me your tax money every fortnight just for breeding! It’s unprecedented in our history, just because he uses the tax system to do it doesn’t mean it isn’t welfare.

One reason you don’t appreciate why Saint Gough is such a great man is that you don’t understand his sense of humour.

“not having hundreds of f—— Vietnamese Balts coming into this country” is Gough having fun with words. Poor Gough, his sense of humour has made him a very misunderstood prophet.

Stop obsessing that Howard is a socialist. If he was you would like him more.

He’s opened the labor market to some extent which is the biggest reform since federation. It will quite possibly lose him the election.

He isn’t running deficits like the state socislists during a time of the biggest economic expansion in our history.

Want to know what a socialist deadender looks and sounds like. Julia Chavez fits the mold perfectly: a no nothing authoritarian dope.