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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10026</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyerpbole....flwaed analysis. you side has had long enough to prove Keith wrong and they have failed. They have failed because they lied to us about who settled this country.

As far as I'm concerned, Keith is a bloody hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyerpbole&#8230;.flwaed analysis. you side has had long enough to prove Keith wrong and they have failed. They have failed because they lied to us about who settled this country.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, Keith is a bloody hero.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10032</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Rubie

How is KW's historical method "flawed?" Can we infer you think those he exposes - Lyndall Ryan, Henry Reynolds, etc. - use a superior and not a "flawed" historical method?

Onto whom or what does "Windschuttle’s desire to impose his own ideas on what represents acceptable culture?" I have never encountered anybody who has felt put upon by KW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rubie</p>
<p>How is KW&#8217;s historical method &#8220;flawed?&#8221; Can we infer you think those he exposes - Lyndall Ryan, Henry Reynolds, etc. - use a superior and not a &#8220;flawed&#8221; historical method?</p>
<p>Onto whom or what does &#8220;Windschuttle’s desire to impose his own ideas on what represents acceptable culture?&#8221; I have never encountered anybody who has felt put upon by KW.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10031</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you and I may or may not agree with Windschuttle's views on a wide range of issues but the question is not how he came to his views but how he will run Quadrant.

And the bigger issue is the conservation of the things that are good in our culture and politely but firmly challenging things that we think are bad. You may not want to be lectured but are you prepared to be challenged to rethink some of your assumptions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you and I may or may not agree with Windschuttle&#8217;s views on a wide range of issues but the question is not how he came to his views but how he will run Quadrant.</p>
<p>And the bigger issue is the conservation of the things that are good in our culture and politely but firmly challenging things that we think are bad. You may not want to be lectured but are you prepared to be challenged to rethink some of your assumptions?</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10062</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jc wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;hyperbole, nazis, blah, blah blah&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm not interested in censorship or pushing a particular barrow.  I did not state that Windschuttle wasn't entitled to his views or his flawed historical method- the issue here is whether Windschuttle's desire to impose his own ideas on what represents acceptable culture is of any importance for people who's primary aim is supposed to be liberalisation.  I have no desire to be lectured on cultural matters by any old windbag, left or right, you included.

Let me ask the question in a different way:  How did Windschuttle become such an expert on what people want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>hyperbole, nazis, blah, blah blah</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in censorship or pushing a particular barrow.  I did not state that Windschuttle wasn&#8217;t entitled to his views or his flawed historical method- the issue here is whether Windschuttle&#8217;s desire to impose his own ideas on what represents acceptable culture is of any importance for people who&#8217;s primary aim is supposed to be liberalisation.  I have no desire to be lectured on cultural matters by any old windbag, left or right, you included.</p>
<p>Let me ask the question in a different way:  How did Windschuttle become such an expert on what people want?</p>
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		<title>By: Jc</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10022</link>
		<dc:creator>Jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Rubie says:

"Why do you need the cultural conservatives Rafe? They’re poison to any intellectual movement. Besides which, poor old Greg Sheridan’s dummy spit in the Australian yesterday seems to have conceded the culture wars. What a waste of effort they were."

What he means is that he wants his side to be left alone teaching lies about our past. If it wasn't for people like Keith W who did the work your side would be having us believe the nation was built by Nazis and a holocasut occurred. So spare me what it is you desire, David. It falls on deaf ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rubie says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do you need the cultural conservatives Rafe? They’re poison to any intellectual movement. Besides which, poor old Greg Sheridan’s dummy spit in the Australian yesterday seems to have conceded the culture wars. What a waste of effort they were.&#8221;</p>
<p>What he means is that he wants his side to be left alone teaching lies about our past. If it wasn&#8217;t for people like Keith W who did the work your side would be having us believe the nation was built by Nazis and a holocasut occurred. So spare me what it is you desire, David. It falls on deaf ears.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10061</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not really sure who Greg Sheridan thinks he is to decide when and if the Culture Wars are over, which of course they are not. Just check out the AEU, university humanities and the softer Social Science departments, goervnment instrumentalities such as HREOC, the UN, the Leftist blogosphere, etc.

Recall that the Culture Wars were imported to Australia by none other than a Mr. PJ Keating. For Luvvies to Tourrette's-like bang on about HOWARD's Culture Wars 24/7 really is beyond chutzpah!

Pat Byrne, the AEU Fuhrer, shrieked with delight at the 2005 QLD Teacher's Politburo. "Komrades" she boomed,

&lt;i&gt;We have succeeded in influencing the curriculum development in schools, education departments and universities. The conservatives have a lot of work to do to undo the progressive curriculum.&lt;/i&gt;

Rest assured, while there are still people in the western world describing their Long March as "progressive", the Culture Wars are nowhere near over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not really sure who Greg Sheridan thinks he is to decide when and if the Culture Wars are over, which of course they are not. Just check out the AEU, university humanities and the softer Social Science departments, goervnment instrumentalities such as HREOC, the UN, the Leftist blogosphere, etc.</p>
<p>Recall that the Culture Wars were imported to Australia by none other than a Mr. PJ Keating. For Luvvies to Tourrette&#8217;s-like bang on about HOWARD&#8217;s Culture Wars 24/7 really is beyond chutzpah!</p>
<p>Pat Byrne, the AEU Fuhrer, shrieked with delight at the 2005 QLD Teacher&#8217;s Politburo. &#8220;Komrades&#8221; she boomed,</p>
<p><i>We have succeeded in influencing the curriculum development in schools, education departments and universities. The conservatives have a lot of work to do to undo the progressive curriculum.</i></p>
<p>Rest assured, while there are still people in the western world describing their Long March as &#8220;progressive&#8221;, the Culture Wars are nowhere near over.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10060</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purge is such a Stalinist phrase, Don. And punishing collaborators has a far longer history than does Stalinism.
A "Committee on un-Australian Activities" is redundant. We already have sedition laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purge is such a Stalinist phrase, Don. And punishing collaborators has a far longer history than does Stalinism.<br />
A &#8220;Committee on un-Australian Activities&#8221; is redundant. We already have sedition laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Arthur</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10059</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should be:
.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
  Yes, the cold war is over, yet the collaborators and quislings have yet to be hunted down and punished. Only then will it be the &#8220;end&#8221;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which of your colleagues would you like to purge Sinclair? Shoud we appoint a Committee on un-Australian Activities to investigate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should be:<br />
.</p>
<blockquote><p>
  Yes, the cold war is over, yet the collaborators and quislings have yet to be hunted down and punished. Only then will it be the &ldquo;end&rdquo;.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Which of your colleagues would you like to purge Sinclair? Shoud we appoint a Committee on un-Australian Activities to investigate?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Arthur</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10058</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the cold war is over, yet the collaborators and quislings have yet to be hunted down and punished. Only then will it be the &#8220;end&#8221;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which of your colleagues would you like to purge Sinclair? Shoud we appoint a Committee on un-Australian Activities to investigate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the cold war is over, yet the collaborators and quislings have yet to be hunted down and punished. Only then will it be the &ldquo;end&rdquo;.</p>
<p>Which of your colleagues would you like to purge Sinclair? Shoud we appoint a Committee on un-Australian Activities to investigate?</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/10/quadrants-vacancy-filled/#comment-10025</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David you can argue about the truth of what he said, and there are several questions in play (a) is it true? (b) does it matter? (c) if yes to a and b, then what should be done about it?

He tends to go in hard but that does not make him an authoritarian, and he may be an authoritarian personally but that need not translate into authoritarian public policies. You guys cut these  issues off at the sox instead of coming to grips with the nuances.

Incidentally i don't think Sheridan's piece was a "dummy spit", it was a fairly realistic appraisal of the situation, again you can agree or disagree but it would help if you think about it for a minute or two and come up with some considered comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David you can argue about the truth of what he said, and there are several questions in play (a) is it true? (b) does it matter? (c) if yes to a and b, then what should be done about it?</p>
<p>He tends to go in hard but that does not make him an authoritarian, and he may be an authoritarian personally but that need not translate into authoritarian public policies. You guys cut these  issues off at the sox instead of coming to grips with the nuances.</p>
<p>Incidentally i don&#8217;t think Sheridan&#8217;s piece was a &#8220;dummy spit&#8221;, it was a fairly realistic appraisal of the situation, again you can agree or disagree but it would help if you think about it for a minute or two and come up with some considered comments.</p>
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