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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/11/is-a-micro-party-the-best-way-to-promote-libertarianism/#comment-10563</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're a dull boy parkos. There are more small business owners in the LDP than public servants. Besides, there is nothing wrong with public servants screaming to be privatised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a dull boy parkos. There are more small business owners in the LDP than public servants. Besides, there is nothing wrong with public servants screaming to be privatised.</p>
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		<title>By: parkos</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/11/is-a-micro-party-the-best-way-to-promote-libertarianism/#comment-10623</link>
		<dc:creator>parkos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: LDP

 Also, attempting to be tax payer funded public servants (politicians) who make legislation whilst claiming to be against tax, public service, government and wanting to reduce legislation is an oxymoronic sham or idiocy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: LDP</p>
<p> Also, attempting to be tax payer funded public servants (politicians) who make legislation whilst claiming to be against tax, public service, government and wanting to reduce legislation is an oxymoronic sham or idiocy.</p>
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		<title>By: parkos</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/11/is-a-micro-party-the-best-way-to-promote-libertarianism/#comment-10622</link>
		<dc:creator>parkos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here it is.. As much as it pains me to say it, and I cannot really be bothered letting the cat out of the bag, but here it is anyway.

 The main problem for the LDP electorally was that they were basically not Australian in the traditional Menzies/Curtin sense of the word.
 Almost everyone associated with the party was either born overseas, or had not made their names pronouncable, or was basically an outsider ie net addict or from Perth or sporting a fruitcake style postmodern literary fraud type of personality.
 In a sense, too western for an eastern outpost of a monarchic imperium.

 They had no electoral appeal and did not understand the basic sensory concept of a quiet, peaceful, pollution/smoke free environment as an ideal (however unlikely).

 Basically, a bunch of web-weirdos glued to each other by unpopular ideas in a world they don't understand.

 Humphreys is too nice a bloke for politics and too much of group thinker for libertarianism. The others have been a bad influence on him.

 Send the next patient in..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here it is.. As much as it pains me to say it, and I cannot really be bothered letting the cat out of the bag, but here it is anyway.</p>
<p> The main problem for the LDP electorally was that they were basically not Australian in the traditional Menzies/Curtin sense of the word.<br />
 Almost everyone associated with the party was either born overseas, or had not made their names pronouncable, or was basically an outsider ie net addict or from Perth or sporting a fruitcake style postmodern literary fraud type of personality.<br />
 In a sense, too western for an eastern outpost of a monarchic imperium.</p>
<p> They had no electoral appeal and did not understand the basic sensory concept of a quiet, peaceful, pollution/smoke free environment as an ideal (however unlikely).</p>
<p> Basically, a bunch of web-weirdos glued to each other by unpopular ideas in a world they don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p> Humphreys is too nice a bloke for politics and too much of group thinker for libertarianism. The others have been a bad influence on him.</p>
<p> Send the next patient in..</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Eldridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Eldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD, it is not clear that the outcome from a bilateral monopoly will always be efficient. Most of the literature on this problem takes a cooperative bargaining approach. These methods typically assume that the outcome will be efficient and then focus on how the surplus is divided between the parties rather than showing that the solution must be efficient. I believe that it has been shown that two of the standard cooperative bargaining solutions, the Nash bargaining solution and the Kalai-Smorodinsky bargaining solution, can be implemented as the outcome to some non-cooperative game. However, there are many non-cooperative games that do not result in an efficient outcome. As such, there are probably non-cooperative bargaining games that do not result in an efficient outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD, it is not clear that the outcome from a bilateral monopoly will always be efficient. Most of the literature on this problem takes a cooperative bargaining approach. These methods typically assume that the outcome will be efficient and then focus on how the surplus is divided between the parties rather than showing that the solution must be efficient. I believe that it has been shown that two of the standard cooperative bargaining solutions, the Nash bargaining solution and the Kalai-Smorodinsky bargaining solution, can be implemented as the outcome to some non-cooperative game. However, there are many non-cooperative games that do not result in an efficient outcome. As such, there are probably non-cooperative bargaining games that do not result in an efficient outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/11/is-a-micro-party-the-best-way-to-promote-libertarianism/#comment-10541</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You come into my house, I set the rules, you don't like them (pro or anti-smoking), you leave?

Get it? Property owners set the rules and conditions of entry. No one forces you to passively smoke in a pub, house etc you don't own and are a guest of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You come into my house, I set the rules, you don&#8217;t like them (pro or anti-smoking), you leave?</p>
<p>Get it? Property owners set the rules and conditions of entry. No one forces you to passively smoke in a pub, house etc you don&#8217;t own and are a guest of.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont understand the narrow way in which the LSP defines individual freedom.

They fight for the right to smoke anywhere they like, but the reason smoking is being kerbed is because passive effects impinge other peoples' individual right &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to smoke.

Surely individualist freedom should be judged on the extent to which is affects others' individual freedom?

I really think many of the policies, in an effort to not compromise have become very blinkered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand the narrow way in which the LSP defines individual freedom.</p>
<p>They fight for the right to smoke anywhere they like, but the reason smoking is being kerbed is because passive effects impinge other peoples&#8217; individual right <i>not</i> to smoke.</p>
<p>Surely individualist freedom should be judged on the extent to which is affects others&#8217; individual freedom?</p>
<p>I really think many of the policies, in an effort to not compromise have become very blinkered.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD,

How come monopsony wages aren't paid in the most monopsonistic industry of all - the mining sector?

"The LDP is joke" - the people who are saying this are bigots like Andrew Elder (his despicable attitude to gun owners is no different to homophobia or xenophobia) or conservatives who can't hack the idea of a real liberal party (like Harry who is lukewarm about markets but wants the sheer lunacy of a national smokers register - yet he has the gall and lack of irony to call us "loonies").

"I'll join the LDP once you look more professional and start getting more votes" .... maybe we don't want career politicians whoring us as a political spitoon to power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD,</p>
<p>How come monopsony wages aren&#8217;t paid in the most monopsonistic industry of all - the mining sector?</p>
<p>&#8220;The LDP is joke&#8221; - the people who are saying this are bigots like Andrew Elder (his despicable attitude to gun owners is no different to homophobia or xenophobia) or conservatives who can&#8217;t hack the idea of a real liberal party (like Harry who is lukewarm about markets but wants the sheer lunacy of a national smokers register - yet he has the gall and lack of irony to call us &#8220;loonies&#8221;).</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll join the LDP once you look more professional and start getting more votes&#8221; &#8230;. maybe we don&#8217;t want career politicians whoring us as a political spitoon to power.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2007/11/is-a-micro-party-the-best-way-to-promote-libertarianism/#comment-10555</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, JC, I won't write the paper because the papers are already written.  They're absolutely mainstream labour economics these days, and also becoming part of mainstream macroeconomics too (Google "Robert Shimer" for the latter - he, Chris Pissarides and Dale Mortensen are  my tips for the Nobel recipients for this stuff).

The point of the theory is not that labour demand curves don't slope downwards but that the individual labour supply curve faced by firms slopes upwards.  This means there is a "wedge" between MC and MR.  It's often referred to as a monopsony model, though in fact it crucially depends on forward looking behaviour that is absent from traditional models of monopsony.

The practical implication is not that wage levels don't matter to employment, but that they often matter much less than the neoclassical theory would predict and that they are in set in quite a different way to the tatonnement of the traditional approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, JC, I won&#8217;t write the paper because the papers are already written.  They&#8217;re absolutely mainstream labour economics these days, and also becoming part of mainstream macroeconomics too (Google &#8220;Robert Shimer&#8221; for the latter - he, Chris Pissarides and Dale Mortensen are  my tips for the Nobel recipients for this stuff).</p>
<p>The point of the theory is not that labour demand curves don&#8217;t slope downwards but that the individual labour supply curve faced by firms slopes upwards.  This means there is a &#8220;wedge&#8221; between MC and MR.  It&#8217;s often referred to as a monopsony model, though in fact it crucially depends on forward looking behaviour that is absent from traditional models of monopsony.</p>
<p>The practical implication is not that wage levels don&#8217;t matter to employment, but that they often matter much less than the neoclassical theory would predict and that they are in set in quite a different way to the tatonnement of the traditional approach.</p>
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		<title>By: backroom girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>backroom girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Stephen LLoyd hit the nail on the head when he said that "People want to feel like help will be available if their life turns to shit."

That's the reason that Australians are so attached to the industrial safety net, Medicare, and the welfare state in general.  And, whether they are right or wrong, they prefer for those protections to be centrally organised rather than have to go out and provide all their own protections.  But while life it going well, they are also happy to go it alone, knowing that the safety net is there to fall back on (which is, after all, the purpose of a safety net).

The trick, as always, is how to provide people with the minimum level of security they need while minimising adverse effects.  I'm sure it can be done better than it is at present, but it is not and never will be something that is amenable to simple solutions.

I agree with Harry, too, that policy always involves compromise - while some policies are better than others, I sincerely doubt that there is any such thing as a perfect policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stephen LLoyd hit the nail on the head when he said that &#8220;People want to feel like help will be available if their life turns to shit.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the reason that Australians are so attached to the industrial safety net, Medicare, and the welfare state in general.  And, whether they are right or wrong, they prefer for those protections to be centrally organised rather than have to go out and provide all their own protections.  But while life it going well, they are also happy to go it alone, knowing that the safety net is there to fall back on (which is, after all, the purpose of a safety net).</p>
<p>The trick, as always, is how to provide people with the minimum level of security they need while minimising adverse effects.  I&#8217;m sure it can be done better than it is at present, but it is not and never will be something that is amenable to simple solutions.</p>
<p>I agree with Harry, too, that policy always involves compromise - while some policies are better than others, I sincerely doubt that there is any such thing as a perfect policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Terje Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terje Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Krugman!!! Surely you're joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Krugman!!! Surely you&#8217;re joking.</p>
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