Comments on: Will Labor pin inflation blame on the Coalition?

By: Club Troppo » Missing Link: Last Bumper Edition!

Club Troppo » Missing Link: Last Bumper Edition! — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:18:36 +0000

[...] Norton wonders whether Labor will succeed in convincing the public that they are ‘better on inflation’, and why the Liberals have won on this survey question so [...]

By: Sinclair Davidson

Sinclair Davidson — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:08:36 +0000

re 10, 12, 13. Troppo reproduces the Harris piece and a bit of the kerfuffle surrounding it.

By: Bring Back CL's blog

Bring Back CL's blog — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:08:18 +0000

small business do not usualy ignore their legal requirements they usually do not know them.

Common law contracts usually means more flexibility. They by and large pay above award anyway.

By: Andrew Norton

Andrew Norton — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:47:04 +0000

Homer - Small business has often ignored their legal requirements, but that doesn’t change the meaning of a ‘common law contract’.

By: Bring Back CL's blog

Bring Back CL's blog — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:50:49 +0000

Yes Andrew I know that but also being directly tied to the profitablity of the entreprise, usually small, means awards are no longer thought of or needed.

By: Andrew Norton

Andrew Norton — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:16:30 +0000

Homer - Common law contracts are not ‘tied’ to awards, but where one applies they do not over-ride it. That is the key difference between an AWA and a common law contract; they are both individual agreements but AWAs over-ride the award (though where the fairness test applies it is only power to vary terms, not to reduce total benefits).

By: Bring Back CL's blog

Bring Back CL's blog — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:57:47 +0000

JC,

common law contracts are not tied to awards.

Have a talk to Terje. His company uses them.
You are confused yet again.

Dentists , Surgeons and the like ensure that the market is not competitive.

look at all thew hoopla involved in becoming a surgeon. It is entirely restrictive.

Funny how freeing up the labourmarket touchedmainly the blue collar boyos.

By: conrad

conrad — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:40:53 +0000

I’m not sure why you are calling me a lefty JC. Also, I think you are under the false impression that many essential services are driven by market realities that would not cause wages inflation. If there are not enough dentists because we don’t train enough, for example,(and thats only an example — there are a myriad of others I could think of), I think you’ll find they can essentially charge anything they want (would you pay 10 times the amount you do now to fix your teeth if you had too — I certainly would). My point is just that these guys are the ones likely to lead to wages inflation, that they are becoming far larger as a group because of the shittier training system, and we only need relatively minor increases to have a wages blowout (I’m sure 10% is just fine). In my books, some of the union dominated professions (like teachers and nurses), have been far worse off than others that are not (with obvious consequences). This is why I think people who say “its the unions fault” like you are far off the mark on the current reality, which is that the inflation is going to come from groups where the training system has broken down.

By: JC

JC — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:43:19 +0000

Think about that next time you doctor or dentist charges you any amount they feel like.

Thanks for making my argument that wages etc. ought to be market determined. I’m sure Homer will explain it to you.

By: JC

JC — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:42:03 +0000

Think about that next time you doctor or dentist charges you any amount they feel like.

this is where lefties like you come unstuck, Conrad. Doctors and D don’t charge what “they like”. They charge what the market will offer them.

No problem with unions as such unless they start getting the law on their side. The moment that happens it’s another ball game.

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Homer don’t be silly. common law contracts under Labotr’s proposal will mostly be tied to awards etc. We’ve been through this before and it seems you really don’t understand it.

But in any event Labor should be allowed to do whatever they want with industrial law. In fact I will support them on anything they present as they campaigned on it. We’ll just see what the independent RBA has to say about that. LOL.

It’s going top be very amusing to watch. Get the popcorn out, put up your feet and relax.