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	<title>Comments on: OECDitis, again</title>
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	<description>Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal</description>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12378</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gans sets out the whys and hows of eliminating the baby bonus.Andrew Norton queries whether the &#8216;OECD everage&#8217; is an appropriate benchmark for everything under the sun, and education spending in particular (not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gans sets out the whys and hows of eliminating the baby bonus.Andrew Norton queries whether the &#8216;OECD everage&#8217; is an appropriate benchmark for everything under the sun, and education spending in particular (not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12373</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conrad - Yes, that would be a factor too - part of my original point that the 'cost' of attending university can only be assessed relative to benefits, and the long-term tax rate is likely to be more significant to that than the charges paid. A few years ago I calculated that the 2005 tax cuts would quickly wipe out the 2005 student contribution amount increase for male graduates (women would take longer, due to a mix of lower-paid occupations and part-time work keeping them below the income levels at which the benefits of tax cuts were significant).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad - Yes, that would be a factor too - part of my original point that the &#8216;cost&#8217; of attending university can only be assessed relative to benefits, and the long-term tax rate is likely to be more significant to that than the charges paid. A few years ago I calculated that the 2005 tax cuts would quickly wipe out the 2005 student contribution amount increase for male graduates (women would take longer, due to a mix of lower-paid occupations and part-time work keeping them below the income levels at which the benefits of tax cuts were significant).</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12370</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro

I agree. But the way pollies "magpie" a few points from an OECD PR blurb really makes any public debate they ignite quite worthless. What does it mean when Julie Gillard says, "Australia is below the OECD average in government investment in higher education?"

The other one the AEU uses is "the current UNDERfunding of public schools." What on earth could that possibly mean? It could mean anything. But it works as it dutifully trotted out in newspaper columns and blogs across the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro</p>
<p>I agree. But the way pollies &#8220;magpie&#8221; a few points from an OECD PR blurb really makes any public debate they ignite quite worthless. What does it mean when Julie Gillard says, &#8220;Australia is below the OECD average in government investment in higher education?&#8221;</p>
<p>The other one the AEU uses is &#8220;the current UNDERfunding of public schools.&#8221; What on earth could that possibly mean? It could mean anything. But it works as it dutifully trotted out in newspaper columns and blogs across the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro S</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12372</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely looking at the OECD is a good idea. But it should be for outcomes and not for inputs.

The US displays the opposite. Americans appear to never look outside the US for ideas. When it comes to things that don't work well in the US, like health, it's a pity they don't look more overseas.

Why are science/engineering graduates seen as something we need to have more of. Nothing at all against them, I am one myself, but it seems to show a remarkable distrust of people's own choices. Could it be that people know better themselves than the 'planners' do for some reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely looking at the OECD is a good idea. But it should be for outcomes and not for inputs.</p>
<p>The US displays the opposite. Americans appear to never look outside the US for ideas. When it comes to things that don&#8217;t work well in the US, like health, it&#8217;s a pity they don&#8217;t look more overseas.</p>
<p>Why are science/engineering graduates seen as something we need to have more of. Nothing at all against them, I am one myself, but it seems to show a remarkable distrust of people&#8217;s own choices. Could it be that people know better themselves than the &#8216;planners&#8217; do for some reason?</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "OECD" fetish is the latest form of cultural cringe. Before it used to be "biggest in the southern hemisphere."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;OECD&#8221; fetish is the latest form of cultural cringe. Before it used to be &#8220;biggest in the southern hemisphere.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12369</link>
		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"At first blush, I am not able to reconcile these results."

I wondered about that too. However, read the captions carefully. One is gross wages (where Australians don't do well), and one is adjusted for tax (where Australians do do well). My bet is that a big factor that is causing this is what the the top rate of tax is -- it isn't surprising that countries with high rates are to the left on this measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At first blush, I am not able to reconcile these results.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wondered about that too. However, read the captions carefully. One is gross wages (where Australians don&#8217;t do well), and one is adjusted for tax (where Australians do do well). My bet is that a big factor that is causing this is what the the top rate of tax is &#8212; it isn&#8217;t surprising that countries with high rates are to the left on this measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred - I will take a more careful look at the full report during the week, but wage premia is on an hourly basis, while the returns data is presumably total income. Graduates work much longer hours than non-graduates (ie more have jobs and they work longer hours in those jobs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred - I will take a more careful look at the full report during the week, but wage premia is on an hourly basis, while the returns data is presumably total income. Graduates work much longer hours than non-graduates (ie more have jobs and they work longer hours in those jobs).</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Argy</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12376</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Argy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The education outcomes in Going for Growth puzzle me. It appears that, by comparison with other OECD countries, Australian secondary schools perform relatively well (p. 10) and our students get relatively high returns from tertiary education (p.13). Yet our kids get relatively low gross wage premia from “higher education” (p.12). At first blush, I am not able to reconcile these results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The education outcomes in Going for Growth puzzle me. It appears that, by comparison with other OECD countries, Australian secondary schools perform relatively well (p. 10) and our students get relatively high returns from tertiary education (p.13). Yet our kids get relatively low gross wage premia from “higher education” (p.12). At first blush, I am not able to reconcile these results.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12368</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ - From the data I can quickly put my hands on, engineering graduates have slipped from 6% of all graduates in 1986 to 5.4% in 2006, though it would be 4.9% without overseas students. So not a huge change in relative terms. In absolute terms, a 171% increase overall. For graduates, engineering has been a cyclical occupation, with times of quite low rates of finding engineering jobs. Clearly Korean proportions on our overall output of graduates would lead to poor graduate outcomes at most times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ - From the data I can quickly put my hands on, engineering graduates have slipped from 6% of all graduates in 1986 to 5.4% in 2006, though it would be 4.9% without overseas students. So not a huge change in relative terms. In absolute terms, a 171% increase overall. For graduates, engineering has been a cyclical occupation, with times of quite low rates of finding engineering jobs. Clearly Korean proportions on our overall output of graduates would lead to poor graduate outcomes at most times.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/03/oecditis-again/#comment-12375</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, do you think Gillard understood the corollary to having a lower proportion of engineering/science graduate than the OECD average: namely that we must therefore have a higher proportion than average in arts/law/commerce?

Is she implicitly stating that they want to reduce places in those areas, and revive manufacturing and engineering in this country (obviously up to OECD levels)?  Given the efforts put in over the past 20 years to reposition Australia for a service economy, having a fewer than average proportion of graduates in science/engineering should be seen as a relatively successful policy outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, do you think Gillard understood the corollary to having a lower proportion of engineering/science graduate than the OECD average: namely that we must therefore have a higher proportion than average in arts/law/commerce?</p>
<p>Is she implicitly stating that they want to reduce places in those areas, and revive manufacturing and engineering in this country (obviously up to OECD levels)?  Given the efforts put in over the past 20 years to reposition Australia for a service economy, having a fewer than average proportion of graduates in science/engineering should be seen as a relatively successful policy outcome.</p>
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