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	<title>Comments on: Why is opinion on migration changing?</title>
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	<description>Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Will Australian universities be hit by an employment domino effect?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Will Australian universities be hit by an employment domino effect?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] higher unemployment here reduces the need for imported skills, and increases already growing public opinion against migration. This leads the government to cut the skilled migration program. This reduced opportunity to migrate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] higher unemployment here reduces the need for imported skills, and increases already growing public opinion against migration. This leads the government to cut the skilled migration program. This reduced opportunity to migrate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Does the public support relaxing mandatory detention policy?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Does the public support relaxing mandatory detention policy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] too many difficulties. But on my reading they are probably out of step with public opinion, which as I noted a couple of months ago is becoming less supportive of the legal migration [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] too many difficulties. But on my reading they are probably out of step with public opinion, which as I noted a couple of months ago is becoming less supportive of the legal migration [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/06/why-is-opinion-on-migration-changing/#comment-19938</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - can&#8217;t survive. That it dooms itself by it&#8217;s own logic.Andrew Norton queries why public opinion on migration is changing. Also, with a fleeting smile perhaps, notes that Kate McCulloch of Camden is spruiking the virtues [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] - can&#8217;t survive. That it dooms itself by it&#8217;s own logic.Andrew Norton queries why public opinion on migration is changing. Also, with a fleeting smile perhaps, notes that Kate McCulloch of Camden is spruiking the virtues [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/06/why-is-opinion-on-migration-changing/#comment-15462</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An even more likely, but far less interesting, answer is that people just don't hold internally consistent points of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An even more likely, but far less interesting, answer is that people just don&#8217;t hold internally consistent points of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that's happened between 1996 and 2004 has been a very large growth in the migration intake and an even bigger growth in temporary migration (which usually hasn't been counted as 'real' migration because the migrants aren't settling here - at least not initially - although I doubt most people would really distinguish between the two categories when answering the questions that you've detailed). 

So perhaps from a simple numbers point of view, more people are likely to feel migration should be reduced when its at very high levels.

However,  it might also be that the growing public controversy over temporary skilled workers could have fed into this possible shift in attitude. Some in the union movement have strongly attacked this type of migration intake, and it was a subtheme in some of the attacks on Workchoices being about driving down wages and conditions.

Other factors may also have played role. Housing affordability might be one, as you suggest, although I wouldn't be surprised if things like water shortages and traffic congestion were a bigger factor. Possibly its an accumulation of all of these things. I've also seen a growing number of people using climate change as a reason to criticise migration - personally I think this is one of the weakest arguments to use from an environmental viewpoint, but climate change is the biggest green issue at the moment, so I guess it works best from that perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that&#8217;s happened between 1996 and 2004 has been a very large growth in the migration intake and an even bigger growth in temporary migration (which usually hasn&#8217;t been counted as &#8216;real&#8217; migration because the migrants aren&#8217;t settling here - at least not initially - although I doubt most people would really distinguish between the two categories when answering the questions that you&#8217;ve detailed). </p>
<p>So perhaps from a simple numbers point of view, more people are likely to feel migration should be reduced when its at very high levels.</p>
<p>However,  it might also be that the growing public controversy over temporary skilled workers could have fed into this possible shift in attitude. Some in the union movement have strongly attacked this type of migration intake, and it was a subtheme in some of the attacks on Workchoices being about driving down wages and conditions.</p>
<p>Other factors may also have played role. Housing affordability might be one, as you suggest, although I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if things like water shortages and traffic congestion were a bigger factor. Possibly its an accumulation of all of these things. I&#8217;ve also seen a growing number of people using climate change as a reason to criticise migration - personally I think this is one of the weakest arguments to use from an environmental viewpoint, but climate change is the biggest green issue at the moment, so I guess it works best from that perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll guess you're right on this last one. 

Incidentally, at least from figures from the AIC (admittedly quite old), migrants create less crime than Australian born citizens overall, so people who think they increase crime are most probably wrong excluding weird arguments to do with long term trust etc. . Perhaps the interesting things is that there are pretty healthy cross-cultural differences between groups and that there are groups that are comparatively poorer than the Australian norm that don't or didn't create a lot of crime (e.g., Greeks, Sri Lankans), and groups similar to Australians (e.g., Kiwis) that create more. If we got away from being politically correct and people were worried about crime, it would be possible to select groups that create less problem in some circumstances (e.g., refugees from Sri Lanka).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll guess you&#8217;re right on this last one. </p>
<p>Incidentally, at least from figures from the AIC (admittedly quite old), migrants create less crime than Australian born citizens overall, so people who think they increase crime are most probably wrong excluding weird arguments to do with long term trust etc. . Perhaps the interesting things is that there are pretty healthy cross-cultural differences between groups and that there are groups that are comparatively poorer than the Australian norm that don&#8217;t or didn&#8217;t create a lot of crime (e.g., Greeks, Sri Lankans), and groups similar to Australians (e.g., Kiwis) that create more. If we got away from being politically correct and people were worried about crime, it would be possible to select groups that create less problem in some circumstances (e.g., refugees from Sri Lanka).</p>
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