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	<title>Comments on: The book industry vs book readers</title>
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	<description>Observations from Carlton's Lone Classical Liberal</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/07/the-book-industry-vs-book-readers/#comment-19857</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's really important to have good local bookshops and a flourishing local writing scene - but I don't think Wilding's lament is necessary. I usually try my local independent booksellers first, and if they don't have a particular book I want I order from Amazon. The bookshops I go to have been in business for 30 years and seem to be doing OK.

Local writing does need some support but it can come from things like Premier's Prizes and from public and school libraries - libraries look out for any local books that have attracted good reviews and library buying can amount to hundreds and hundreds of sales, which is a pretty good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really important to have good local bookshops and a flourishing local writing scene - but I don&#8217;t think Wilding&#8217;s lament is necessary. I usually try my local independent booksellers first, and if they don&#8217;t have a particular book I want I order from Amazon. The bookshops I go to have been in business for 30 years and seem to be doing OK.</p>
<p>Local writing does need some support but it can come from things like Premier&#8217;s Prizes and from public and school libraries - libraries look out for any local books that have attracted good reviews and library buying can amount to hundreds and hundreds of sales, which is a pretty good start.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aah Jacques -  they must know you - I often get requests from Amazon asking what you are up to now. Sorry -but I cannot tell a lie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aah Jacques -  they must know you - I often get requests from Amazon asking what you are up to now. Sorry -but I cannot tell a lie</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/07/the-book-industry-vs-book-readers/#comment-19849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only gripe with Amazon is that they continue to do business with DHL, whose agents in Darwin and now Perth have unceasingly managed to find new and original ways to shaft me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only gripe with Amazon is that they continue to do business with DHL, whose agents in Darwin and now Perth have unceasingly managed to find new and original ways to shaft me.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/07/the-book-industry-vs-book-readers/#comment-19792</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a curious irony in that piece in that Wilding claims that the easing of competition restrictions and the opening of the market have resulted in fewer choices for both publishers and readers, but he speaks entirely from his limited experience in the publishing industry. His argument, in the opening of that article, that what should be called for are local content regulations, similar to those on film and television, is bizarre. 

He seems to expect the latest Australian kid writer from Toowoomba to compete with decidedly unlocal writers like Homer, Aristophanes, Euripides, Shakespeare, Virgil, Goethe, (etc, etc), or, on a lower level, the Dan Browns and Harold Robbins of the international scene. That's just rubbish. Where a writer is born shouldn't matter, but the quality of their writing does - the readers of Australia know this, and Government should stay well away from any attempts to direct the reading decisions of Australians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a curious irony in that piece in that Wilding claims that the easing of competition restrictions and the opening of the market have resulted in fewer choices for both publishers and readers, but he speaks entirely from his limited experience in the publishing industry. His argument, in the opening of that article, that what should be called for are local content regulations, similar to those on film and television, is bizarre. </p>
<p>He seems to expect the latest Australian kid writer from Toowoomba to compete with decidedly unlocal writers like Homer, Aristophanes, Euripides, Shakespeare, Virgil, Goethe, (etc, etc), or, on a lower level, the Dan Browns and Harold Robbins of the international scene. That&#8217;s just rubbish. Where a writer is born shouldn&#8217;t matter, but the quality of their writing does - the readers of Australia know this, and Government should stay well away from any attempts to direct the reading decisions of Australians.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/07/the-book-industry-vs-book-readers/#comment-19786</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To an extent the money I save buying books from USA I spend buying local Australian authors I wouldn't normally buy.

Part of the overseas shipment that went astray was the Australian Kylie Kwong's My China: A Feast for All the Senses (Hardcover). In my local bookshop its au$80+ . At Amazon it is ~$32. Postage here would have cost me another $12 or more plus packaging. Amazon posts and packages for about $10.

Maybe Kwong doesn't qualify as an Australian author if we are talking fiction. I find it hard to see how she was disadvantaged by my buying in USA as I wouldn't have purchased the book at au$80 here anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To an extent the money I save buying books from USA I spend buying local Australian authors I wouldn&#8217;t normally buy.</p>
<p>Part of the overseas shipment that went astray was the Australian Kylie Kwong&#8217;s My China: A Feast for All the Senses (Hardcover). In my local bookshop its au$80+ . At Amazon it is ~$32. Postage here would have cost me another $12 or more plus packaging. Amazon posts and packages for about $10.</p>
<p>Maybe Kwong doesn&#8217;t qualify as an Australian author if we are talking fiction. I find it hard to see how she was disadvantaged by my buying in USA as I wouldn&#8217;t have purchased the book at au$80 here anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/07/the-book-industry-vs-book-readers/#comment-19784</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to try and support my local independent bookshops (two of them plus a superior second hand shop-  I'm lucky) but it is increasingly difficult.

With Amazon, even before the dollar was about equal, the convenience, cost and quick service was impressive.  I can hear about a book, order it at midnight friday and 90% of the time it will land on my doorstep (and I mean literally on my doorstep - so I don't have to drive or walk to the post office) by the next friday.

The 10% GST would not make enough difference on any of my purchases to worry about it.

A month or so back I was able to pre-order the latest James Lee Burke novel. It will arrive, in hardback, around 3 months before it is available in Australia. It will arrive on my doorstep cheaper including postage, and 3 months quicker than I can buy the paperback in Oz. My local bookshops just cannot offer anything remotely like this. ( the local bookshops seem to be technophobes - they don't even seem to have data bases of purchases or email notices or any online presence.)

I also send books as presents from Amazon to relatives overseas - direct from Amazon. I had a $250 order to overseas go astray somehow. Amazon replaced the $ in my credit card after 2 months. No hassle, no accusations of me being dodgy. Naturally I re-ordered the books - this time they arrrived 4 weeks later. Every one happy.

I order lots of stuff from overseas bike parts, bike clothes etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to try and support my local independent bookshops (two of them plus a superior second hand shop-  I&#8217;m lucky) but it is increasingly difficult.</p>
<p>With Amazon, even before the dollar was about equal, the convenience, cost and quick service was impressive.  I can hear about a book, order it at midnight friday and 90% of the time it will land on my doorstep (and I mean literally on my doorstep - so I don&#8217;t have to drive or walk to the post office) by the next friday.</p>
<p>The 10% GST would not make enough difference on any of my purchases to worry about it.</p>
<p>A month or so back I was able to pre-order the latest James Lee Burke novel. It will arrive, in hardback, around 3 months before it is available in Australia. It will arrive on my doorstep cheaper including postage, and 3 months quicker than I can buy the paperback in Oz. My local bookshops just cannot offer anything remotely like this. ( the local bookshops seem to be technophobes - they don&#8217;t even seem to have data bases of purchases or email notices or any online presence.)</p>
<p>I also send books as presents from Amazon to relatives overseas - direct from Amazon. I had a $250 order to overseas go astray somehow. Amazon replaced the $ in my credit card after 2 months. No hassle, no accusations of me being dodgy. Naturally I re-ordered the books - this time they arrrived 4 weeks later. Every one happy.</p>
<p>I order lots of stuff from overseas bike parts, bike clothes etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;You can buy stuff from overseas, add postage and foreign currency conversion charges, and the prices you pay are still less than the wholesale prices of stores. It’s crazy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No , it's not crazy. It's actually quite rational expected behavior from human beings. My wife has been buying most of her clothes off the web overseas and receives a " double discount"  when she's buying at the end of the northern season discounts.

funny, how markets work, hey?



&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not (obviously) against Australian books. But their publication should not be propped up by denying Australian readers quick access to books published elsewhere.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



And what a disgusting scam it was too. One of the first things I experienced living in the US was just how cheap books were over there at the time... more than 1/2 for the most part.




&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps these days the main losers from this arrangement are booksellers, as many book readers just go straight to Amazon or other online booksellers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Those that don't specialize or have their wits about them deserve to go under. There are plenty of books stores I see that seem to be doing well. Those that a close to coffee shops that promote impulsive buys. There are  aso books stores that seem to specialize in those sorts of books that are harder to buy on line as you want to see them.

I would bet that on a per cap basis there are far more books being sold now in Australia than there before. The writers and books stores simply need to know how to compete. 

In fact the on line world ought to make it far easier for writers to find bigger markets so I don't understand what this guy is after other than sticking his hand in the taxpayers pocket to write books nobody wants to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can buy stuff from overseas, add postage and foreign currency conversion charges, and the prices you pay are still less than the wholesale prices of stores. It’s crazy.</p></blockquote>
<p>No , it&#8217;s not crazy. It&#8217;s actually quite rational expected behavior from human beings. My wife has been buying most of her clothes off the web overseas and receives a &#8221; double discount&#8221;  when she&#8217;s buying at the end of the northern season discounts.</p>
<p>funny, how markets work, hey?</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not (obviously) against Australian books. But their publication should not be propped up by denying Australian readers quick access to books published elsewhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>And what a disgusting scam it was too. One of the first things I experienced living in the US was just how cheap books were over there at the time&#8230; more than 1/2 for the most part.</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps these days the main losers from this arrangement are booksellers, as many book readers just go straight to Amazon or other online booksellers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those that don&#8217;t specialize or have their wits about them deserve to go under. There are plenty of books stores I see that seem to be doing well. Those that a close to coffee shops that promote impulsive buys. There are  aso books stores that seem to specialize in those sorts of books that are harder to buy on line as you want to see them.</p>
<p>I would bet that on a per cap basis there are far more books being sold now in Australia than there before. The writers and books stores simply need to know how to compete. </p>
<p>In fact the on line world ought to make it far easier for writers to find bigger markets so I don&#8217;t understand what this guy is after other than sticking his hand in the taxpayers pocket to write books nobody wants to read.</p>
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		<title>By: conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not just books and it's not just the government either -- there are evidentally many distributors who are willing to abuse their monopolies in Australia -- bike parts and camping gear, for example, ordered from almost anywhere else in the world costs about 60% of the Australian price (even less now thanks to the dollar). You can buy stuff from overseas, add postage and foreign currency conversion charges, and the prices you pay are still less than the wholesale prices of stores. It's crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just books and it&#8217;s not just the government either &#8212; there are evidentally many distributors who are willing to abuse their monopolies in Australia &#8212; bike parts and camping gear, for example, ordered from almost anywhere else in the world costs about 60% of the Australian price (even less now thanks to the dollar). You can buy stuff from overseas, add postage and foreign currency conversion charges, and the prices you pay are still less than the wholesale prices of stores. It&#8217;s crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/07/the-book-industry-vs-book-readers/#comment-19606</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon have been eating everyone's lunch for years; and now that the AUD is almost at parity with the USD it's just getting more dramatic.

For example, I just ordered my textbooks for next semester from Amazon. It works out nearly $100 cheaper than buying it from the co-op bookshop at the university.

Smart publishers and the like should instead be trying to win the local franchise for Amazon. Australia is not a very big market, but big enough to sustain two retail chains and a handful of large publishing houses. Throw in the Kindle (god I want one of those so badly) and you could see a real revival.

And to me this is all just a set of symptoms of statist parasitism. If you depend on the state your imagination is stunted. Everything becomes about what you can suck out of the public tit and defending this or that program. All energy and ingenuity that could have been used to serve customers better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon have been eating everyone&#8217;s lunch for years; and now that the AUD is almost at parity with the USD it&#8217;s just getting more dramatic.</p>
<p>For example, I just ordered my textbooks for next semester from Amazon. It works out nearly $100 cheaper than buying it from the co-op bookshop at the university.</p>
<p>Smart publishers and the like should instead be trying to win the local franchise for Amazon. Australia is not a very big market, but big enough to sustain two retail chains and a handful of large publishing houses. Throw in the Kindle (god I want one of those so badly) and you could see a real revival.</p>
<p>And to me this is all just a set of symptoms of statist parasitism. If you depend on the state your imagination is stunted. Everything becomes about what you can suck out of the public tit and defending this or that program. All energy and ingenuity that could have been used to serve customers better.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sums usually work out the same way as Alan's: even if 10% was added to the total Amazon cost, they are still cheaper. But it's not just a price issue. I usually decide to buy a US book based on online reports there on publication, and go straight to Amazon, rather than wait to see whether any of my local bookstores (which are well above average in quality) end up putting it into stock. 

A book from a foreign publisher should never be ordered from an Australian bookstore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sums usually work out the same way as Alan&#8217;s: even if 10% was added to the total Amazon cost, they are still cheaper. But it&#8217;s not just a price issue. I usually decide to buy a US book based on online reports there on publication, and go straight to Amazon, rather than wait to see whether any of my local bookstores (which are well above average in quality) end up putting it into stock. </p>
<p>A book from a foreign publisher should never be ordered from an Australian bookstore.</p>
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