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		<title>By: Ben R</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-48308</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I quickly fell into the habit of doing quick risk assessments on young black men. I could not recall the precise statistics, but I was well aware that they are massively over-represented in the criminal justice system. I wanted to take a moral shower every time I thought this way, but my self-defence instincts were too strong to stop the thoughts entering my mind.&quot;

Those are perfectly natural human instincts which are shared by Asians and even other Blacks (Jesse Jackson noted being relieved when he noticed someone following him was white). 

Every group has in-group/out group biases, but whites tend to be more ashamed of this &amp; see it as morally wrong. Most other groups are more ethnocentric, you see this with various race based groups or societies. Also in terms of immigration policies, for instance Japan &amp; Singapore have quite clear policies to preserve a homogenous population.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I quickly fell into the habit of doing quick risk assessments on young black men. I could not recall the precise statistics, but I was well aware that they are massively over-represented in the criminal justice system. I wanted to take a moral shower every time I thought this way, but my self-defence instincts were too strong to stop the thoughts entering my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those are perfectly natural human instincts which are shared by Asians and even other Blacks (Jesse Jackson noted being relieved when he noticed someone following him was white). </p>
<p>Every group has in-group/out group biases, but whites tend to be more ashamed of this &amp; see it as morally wrong. Most other groups are more ethnocentric, you see this with various race based groups or societies. Also in terms of immigration policies, for instance Japan &amp; Singapore have quite clear policies to preserve a homogenous population.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-41306</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Yobbo but the test is about your reactions to Aboriginal names, Italian names etc.  If you see the name Reilly you are very unlikely to think about Aboriginals called Rielly and react accordingly.  Likewise if you see the name Schnitzengruber  you aren&#039;t going think that this could be a northern Italian, even though there are actually a lot of northern Italians with German names. For you to think Italian, you&#039;re going to have to see a name like Rosso.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Yobbo but the test is about your reactions to Aboriginal names, Italian names etc.  If you see the name Reilly you are very unlikely to think about Aboriginals called Rielly and react accordingly.  Likewise if you see the name Schnitzengruber  you aren&#8217;t going think that this could be a northern Italian, even though there are actually a lot of northern Italians with German names. For you to think Italian, you&#8217;re going to have to see a name like Rosso.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-41301</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are missing the point Spiros: When I hear the name Yunipungu, I think of an entirely different group of Aboriginals than I do when I hear say Rielly.

The 2 groups may be of the same race but their culture is completely different and to associate the 2 groups makes about as much sense as lumping Chinese in with Eskimos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are missing the point Spiros: When I hear the name Yunipungu, I think of an entirely different group of Aboriginals than I do when I hear say Rielly.</p>
<p>The 2 groups may be of the same race but their culture is completely different and to associate the 2 groups makes about as much sense as lumping Chinese in with Eskimos.</p>
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		<title>By: Umm Yasmin</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-40905</link>
		<dc:creator>Umm Yasmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did the American version of the IAT a while back and I still think that language familiarity has a lot to do with the test more than racism. For example, even though I am Anglo and Celtic by ancestry and Australian by nationality, I am Muslim and speak Arabic so I am familiar with Arabic names. The American IAT used a lot of Arabic-derived names for their &#039;black&#039; examples. Consequently, I scored a slight preference for African-Americans on that test.  On this Australian test, I was offered Italian and Anglo names, and showed a slight preference for Anglo. I am pretty sure this has more to do with the fact that I do not speak Italian and thus have less familiarity with Italian names than anything else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the American version of the IAT a while back and I still think that language familiarity has a lot to do with the test more than racism. For example, even though I am Anglo and Celtic by ancestry and Australian by nationality, I am Muslim and speak Arabic so I am familiar with Arabic names. The American IAT used a lot of Arabic-derived names for their &#8216;black&#8217; examples. Consequently, I scored a slight preference for African-Americans on that test.  On this Australian test, I was offered Italian and Anglo names, and showed a slight preference for Anglo. I am pretty sure this has more to do with the fact that I do not speak Italian and thus have less familiarity with Italian names than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-40618</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your missing the point Yobbo.  There may well be more Aboriginals called O&#039;Reilly than Yunipingu, but if the name O&#039;Reilly flashes up on your screen you don&#039;t think about Aboriginals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your missing the point Yobbo.  There may well be more Aboriginals called O&#8217;Reilly than Yunipingu, but if the name O&#8217;Reilly flashes up on your screen you don&#8217;t think about Aboriginals.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-40617</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;Aboriginal&quot; names in this test are bunk.

Most of the Aboriginals in Australia cities do not have traditional indigenous names - they have regular English or (in particular) Irish names.

The aboriginals who had little contact with white settlers and therefore retained their own names are not the aboriginals who are currently in your local train station causing trouble. They are still in places like Arnhem land and the Kimberly where they have always lived. 

The average australian would have very little contact with anyone named Yunipingu or anything similar unless they live in the Northern Territory or far-north Queensland or WA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Aboriginal&#8221; names in this test are bunk.</p>
<p>Most of the Aboriginals in Australia cities do not have traditional indigenous names &#8211; they have regular English or (in particular) Irish names.</p>
<p>The aboriginals who had little contact with white settlers and therefore retained their own names are not the aboriginals who are currently in your local train station causing trouble. They are still in places like Arnhem land and the Kimberly where they have always lived. </p>
<p>The average australian would have very little contact with anyone named Yunipingu or anything similar unless they live in the Northern Territory or far-north Queensland or WA.</p>
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		<title>By: Temujin</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-40606</link>
		<dc:creator>Temujin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While there is undoubtably bigotry against blacks/asians/jews/whatever... that does not mean that every generalisation about those groups is caused by bigotry or that those generalisations aren&#039;t useful and appropriate.

Who here seriously thinks they can&#039;t predict the winner of the next Olympics 100m sprint?

Generally speaking, people from asia do study hard. And generally speaking, the average person from asia looks more asian than the average person from australia. I&#039;m not saying this because I hate/love asians or because I think they are better/worse than me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there is undoubtably bigotry against blacks/asians/jews/whatever&#8230; that does not mean that every generalisation about those groups is caused by bigotry or that those generalisations aren&#8217;t useful and appropriate.</p>
<p>Who here seriously thinks they can&#8217;t predict the winner of the next Olympics 100m sprint?</p>
<p>Generally speaking, people from asia do study hard. And generally speaking, the average person from asia looks more asian than the average person from australia. I&#8217;m not saying this because I hate/love asians or because I think they are better/worse than me.</p>
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		<title>By: pommygranate</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-39752</link>
		<dc:creator>pommygranate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew

If, as you say, young black males are &#039;massively over-represented&#039; in the prison system, then why is computing a &#039;risk assessment&#039; of young black males a matter of prejudice?   are you not simply acting logically?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew</p>
<p>If, as you say, young black males are &#8216;massively over-represented&#8217; in the prison system, then why is computing a &#8216;risk assessment&#8217; of young black males a matter of prejudice?   are you not simply acting logically?</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-37602</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Within about five seconds of this test, two words sprang to mind: &quot;confirmation bias&quot;. 

Even so, I got ‘liitle or no bias’ which is rubbish. I can tell you here and now if I am walking down a street and see a gang of aboriginal young men on one side and a gang of anglos on the other, I will walk on the Anglo side. Yet this test classes me as totally blind to such racist, evil, and possibly UN-Convention breaking thought crimes! 

If I were told those names were Scottish people or Swedish, I doubt the results would have been any different. And one wonders how many people from full-blood aboriginal communities or those where they actually have names like those on the IAT - rather than Smith, O’Donohue, and Jones - were tested for Thought Crimes Against Whitey!?

Set up a similar test for Leftists but instead of aboriginal names use Cohen, Schwartz, Dershowitz, etc. Heh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Within about five seconds of this test, two words sprang to mind: &#8220;confirmation bias&#8221;. </p>
<p>Even so, I got ‘liitle or no bias’ which is rubbish. I can tell you here and now if I am walking down a street and see a gang of aboriginal young men on one side and a gang of anglos on the other, I will walk on the Anglo side. Yet this test classes me as totally blind to such racist, evil, and possibly UN-Convention breaking thought crimes! </p>
<p>If I were told those names were Scottish people or Swedish, I doubt the results would have been any different. And one wonders how many people from full-blood aboriginal communities or those where they actually have names like those on the IAT &#8211; rather than Smith, O’Donohue, and Jones &#8211; were tested for Thought Crimes Against Whitey!?</p>
<p>Set up a similar test for Leftists but instead of aboriginal names use Cohen, Schwartz, Dershowitz, etc. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Norton</title>
		<link>http://andrewnorton.info/2008/09/06/how-prejudiced-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-34692</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom - This is a common order in social distance surveys, but I take your point. As they say, often you can&#039;t choose your family, and people will accept in-laws to keep the peace. 

The question about the Lebanese was perhaps not specific enough -  many people would probably distinguish between Lebanese Christians and Lebanese Muslims. (Highlighting that in these issues race itself often isn&#039;t that important; it is race as a proxy for culture.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; This is a common order in social distance surveys, but I take your point. As they say, often you can&#8217;t choose your family, and people will accept in-laws to keep the peace. </p>
<p>The question about the Lebanese was perhaps not specific enough &#8211;  many people would probably distinguish between Lebanese Christians and Lebanese Muslims. (Highlighting that in these issues race itself often isn&#8217;t that important; it is race as a proxy for culture.)</p>
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